the bank of japan, if you monetize the debt in a low inflationary environment, is this a free lunch? >> right. >> in the uk, it has turned out to be a free lunch. would it in japan? possibly, yes, and, therefore, i wonder if these issues ever will be addressed. >> and what's so interesting, you're seeing these bizarre rates happening in a monetary policy. we feel like we're in a whole new regime where people feel like it doesn't matter at all. wondering if it matters at all how much you spend and borrow in these situations. how does it change, if at all your strategy from here? >> it makes having a long-term strategy really, really tough. and you can see that in the markets right now. what people see by more investment, it gets pushed into treasuries, into eks, and we see markets trading at very elevated levels. relative to fundamentals appears to become the norm. and i would argue that we're now in a world where it's very difficult to recruit any decent returns. as a result, as investors, we're going to have to live with that. >> and a lot of people are just closing up shop and sayi